Round 4

Q:
Let me make this clear. Atheism isn't faith at all. Atheism, compared to Christianity (which is based completely on faith only) is about seeing the world as is. You can't blame atheism for anything bad at all. Some could dislike SOME atheists for being jerks and bashing people's beliefs, but not atheism. Atheism is like science, it's about reasoning.

If I were to say I have an invisible pet dinosaur in my house, that can't be touched or felt or detected whatsoever by science, that wears pajamas and has a face like Michael Jackson, do you think scientists/atheists will believe me?

Well they can't really disprove me DIRECTLY. But they can disprove it indirectly, with reasoning.

Reason:
1. It's common sense. You lie.
2. When we look at the dinosaur, we see nothing, we might as well know that nothing's there.
3. Even our most advanced science stuff can't see it, and you claim you can see it with your eyes? And only you can see it?
4. Dinosaur with MJ's face is ridiculous enough, but it's also freaking undetectable? Even ghosts are detectable...
5. You're obviously crazy.

Well the reasons to disprove it... are reasonable. We can know it's not real, just by using reason.

So you can't blame atheist for not believing in your God, after all they only used reason. Not seeing is not believing.

If someone told you you won a billion dollars, you wouldn't believe it right away and you would check to make sure it's true. Maybe you wouldn't even check because you know that's impossible. You just did what an atheist would do.

Reason. Not just blind faith believing right away.

My questions will get tougher each time. But first, here's one from someone else's:


According to a poll, 3 out of 4 doctors believe that God is performing medical miracles on earth right now.

Most Christians believe that God is curing cancers, healing diseases, reversing the effects of poisons, and so on...

4. But why won't God heal amputees?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDHJ4ztnldQ&



A:
Hey,

Ok. I'll take one more shot at the atheism thing. It absolutely is a system of faith. Atheism, as you say, is about seeing the world as it is. Correct? You have to have faith that we, as human beings, are capable of seeing all there is. I don't believe we can. Atheists believe that this physical world should be able to have the scientific method applied to it to produce predictable and repeatable results. Hence, science. Hence, atheism. God, no God? Put it to the test. Faith in science. Faith in mankind to be all knowing. Faith that we can logically and systematically explain all that there is, through our own efforts. You see, it is a system of faith.

Don't get me wrong, I love and am a proponent of science. I believe it strikes to the core of our species. To question and explore and make sense of the world around us. Science is the means that helps us understand this complex creation.

I can discuss the negative effects atheistic principals have had on our society if you'd like? Yes, quite a number of atheists that I've come across happen to be jerks. Most are arrogant, but that's to be expect. But Christianity has it's fair share of them too. You're right though. In comparison to religion as a whole, atheism hasn't been the source for as much human suffering as the God debate has. But I've come to realize that if so many people care about a central topic so deeply that they're driven to give or take a life, it just might be true. Which is a perfect segue into our next bit. Your example

First off, it's awesome. I want a pajama'd MJ dino. Unfortunately you're a bit off base with this. See, your deity would be just that. Yours. You'd just be a dude who's a bit wacked talking of a god dino in your closet. That's very different from the 2 billion plus people who believe in the God of Abraham talked about in the Christian Bible. Your correct. Simple deductive reasoning would prove that the MJ dino does not exist. That's very different from using human logic to disprove a God that so many people over the course of human history have come to believe in. Especially when so many people bare testimony to God working in their lives. They're stating that he exists. Are they lying? Am I?

90% of the worlds population believes in some for of God. Are we all wrong?

Or we can talk about dark matter. It's amazing. It's properties are immeasurable and it's presence is integral to all things in this universe. What is it? Well, we don't know. We've never seen it. Science only infers it's there because of certain effects on matter we can see. I only bring this up because it seems to be an example of science believing in something outside of itself. Having faith that something is there, regardless of the fact that they've never seen it or reproduced it and don't know what it is. It has to be there though. It's woven into the fabric of the universe. :) The science proves that.

So before I make a statement about amputees. 3 out of 4 doctors believes God is performing medical miracles on earth? Hmm. I didn't know that. That's cool. So 75% of that poll. All highly intelligent(far smarter than I), well educated individuals. Who endured 7years of institutional learning before completing multiple years of residency. 75% believe in God? Let alone the fact that he's performing medical miracles? Does that not make you stop and think? People who have devoted their lives to anatomy and physiology of the human body. We're an unbelievable creation Snake.

OK, amputees. I laughed at first. I found this to be a bit ridiculous. I admit, losing a limb would not be fun. I have an old baseball coach who lost his left arm at the elbow because of a table saw. Brutal when it happened. But, that's like asking, 'Why isn't God healing lazy eyes?'. It's singling out one single affliction and using it as evidence against God. Because THIS didn't happen, He can't exist.

Healing isn't always physical. Most times, healing is a heart issue. My coach embraced his nub. He was bitter at first but grew to accept it then it grew into a part of him. His wife loved it.

God can do anything. He doesn't do everything.

I look forward to continuing these talks brother.